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Divinitys Creature · Aug 02, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Check out the articles at www.lotd.org
They were amongst the first alpha testers in this game and the gaming industry holds their views in high regard (AFAIK) and they are often invited by developers to test new games. Now that ANET has mistreated them, they (ANET) have done themselves a tremendous disservice.

Aniewiel · Aug 02, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Odd Sock, believe it or not, I'm on your side. And I'm not quite as stupid as you think. I managed to figure out the sarcasm.

I HOPE that ANet is listening. I WANT them to respond to what PvPers want.

I want this game to be successful as much as anyone. Let's just hope that some news is forthcoming on what it is that is intended so that:

- either people can celebrate upcoming changes/balances/implementations

OR

- people can move on to another game if this one is not moving in the direction they want.

Linkie · Aug 02, 2005, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Everyone acts like 3 months is a lifetime. I am sure that there were unexpected "snafus" on the game's release that have had to be dealt with before any major changes/additions can be made. Give them some time to work out the kinks before you start labeling them "liars" and blatantly saying that they don't care and aren't doing diddly for -you-.

Have SOME faith that the devs and the ANet team truly do have your best interests at heart! It is NOT good business sense to have a bunch of disgruntled people running around the 'Net talking about how rotten they are and that they've been "lied" to, for Pete's sake.

The proverb, "Patience is a virtue" seems lost on some and you need to sit back and relax a bit!

Like Blackace pointed out, it's been way more than 3 months. And in that time, Anet has not only neglected the PvP problems, they've also worsened them in many cases (why would PvP'ers leave the game if it got better?)

On that note, I'm not even sure that the devs are aware of what's being said about their own game. It's either that, or they're just really retarded. Through reading Gaile's and Alex' replies to fan forums, they've lost all credibility for anyone in the PvP community to ever trust them. Gaile kicking all the PvP players from the alpha just makes this feeling even stronger. Not to mention her stupidity in not including some of the best players in the game in the alphas(e.g. Ensign and Zrave) just cause of personal grugdes.

Odd Sock · Aug 02, 2005, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

- either people can celebrate upcoming changes/balances/implementations

Fanboys and morons will always glorify Gaile and ArenaNet. I want REAL changes that will make this game good

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

- people can move on to another game if this one is not moving in the direction they want.

No, people buy games to play them. I don't want to switch, I want ANet to provide me the game they were supposed to: Real PvP that's fresh and interesting

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Originally Posted by Linkie

Not to mention her stupidity in not including some of the best players in the game in the alphas(e.g. Ensign and Zrave) just cause of personal grugdes.

She probably wasn't good at math in grade school so she hates anyone who supports arguments with numbers.

TheGreatBoo · Aug 02, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I'm sorry, I thought they were bringing in FREE updates. Guess I forgot they were working on bringing 2 FREE new areas in for pve'rs. I'm sorry I forgot these updates take TIME and EFFORT. I also seem to have forgotten that several other posts say that they're WORKING on IMPLEMENTING new features for pvpers and observer mode. I want, I want, I want. Things take TIME. Learn that. It was not false advertisement. If you were truly a hardcore fan, then you would be offering suggestions and calming the so called "raging masses of pvpers" instead of bitching about how anet ripped you off. I want everything now now now. You create a small company and try to create a game that will appease everyone. No matter how good it is, someone will whine.

It started a skill base game, and it remains a skill based game. If you want something to counter the latest trend, work for it. Whining "oh this is a grind lets start a new thread to complain about it," isn't getting you anywhere. If you're guild is such a majority, then surely you can find a competant team of 8(6) to go and find that "magical" skill that you need to help you counter everything and will shut you up.

Aniewiel · Aug 02, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Reminder:

Intelligent discussion with no name-calling on ALL sides of the argument. Do not let this thread descend into a flame war or it will be closed.

Thanks.

Xellos · Aug 02, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

In the end, it doesn't really matter what you people say, fact is, most people who started playing this from retail aren't exactly playing consistantly if at all, let alone those who came all the way from beta. Most people who support zealously are new at the game, and can't really argue about game mechanics and purely go on good faith. The game has no lasting appeal, and it's been out less then half a year. That's a sinking ship right there.

Am I saying it's hopeless? No. I'm saying Anet isn't doing their best, or their just not doing it smart enough.

But let me ask you this, you say all those things I propose take a long time, well hell, then what the hell do you want to stream with your AMAZING technology which is SUPER FAST when your production rate is 10000000000x slower then your distribution rate? That's like a ASSEMBLY LINE making 1 Car A Month. WHY BOTHER? And no, it's not even a car I'm asking for, I'm asking for a damn tricycle.

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I've heard that most of the PvP oriented alpha players were just recently kicked out of the Alpha by Anet so I've basically lost all hope for this game. The only reason I play is because I like the people in my guild and hanging out with them online.

This is hilarious. That and the occasional GvG and we are pretty much identical. Just like every other PVP player. Wait I play PVE too, but meh, it was burned in 2 weeks.

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Yea I've been kicked out too. Seems like anyone who wasnt aggresively testing PvE got kicked from what I've heard so far.

Or someone drank you under the table with Black Dyed Dwarven Ale.

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On that note, I'm not even sure that the devs are aware of what's being said about their own game. It's either that, or they're just really retarded. Through reading Gaile's and Alex' replies to fan forums, they've lost all credibility for anyone in the PvP community to ever trust them. Gaile kicking all the PvP players from the alpha just makes this feeling even stronger. Not to mention her stupidity in not including some of the best players in the game in the alphas(e.g. Ensign and Zrave) just cause of personal grugdes.

Wait, does this mean B.Net's WoW might even outdo Guild Wars in PVP? I see a SWERVE COMING.

I give this game 3 months tops before even iQ quits.

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 02, 2005, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Blackace

Yea I've been kicked out too. Seems like anyone who wasnt aggresively testing PvE got kicked from what I've heard so far.

No, a guild member tested PvE aggressively. In fact, he tested whatever the hell ArenaNet wanted him too; ArenaNet wanted to test Tombs? He was there. Wanted to test PvE? He was there.

He can be pretty vocal, but what it boiled down to was he got kicked out for voicing his opinion. I definitely don't hold the same position on what he was directly arguing, but the underlying basis for why we have these problems was absolutely true in what he said.

Seems like you need to speak quietly to stay in alpha.

Xellos · Aug 02, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Isn't that ironic then? The thing we laugh at Bnet for is that even their own fanbase laughs at their actions, but in GW, they won't even allow it =/ Ok ok, I'm getting outta line. To be fair, like they said, the team is split in two basically, so you can't expect much. A constructive thing would be to hire more people, I mean even blizzard is doing it, and their blizzard. Anet as good as their core was, can't be expected to polish and balance while still making something new. I think it's more of the upkeep and such, and their organization was lacking for future planning. I mean, we were promised updates and fixes on the fly, the streaming tech allows them to do so. But no fixes besides very big ones were fixed "right away". Clearly this tool of streaming tech has been undermined. I say use it more.

Odd Sock · Aug 02, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by TheGreatBoo

It started a skill base game, and it remains a skill based game.

PvE skill: Firestorm + Lava Font
PvE skill: I farmed 1.2 million XP in a week with Zealot's Farming doing the same thing over and over

PvP skill: who cares ? every original idea you have gets shattered by NR
PvP skill: tactics and movement yes, I agree
PvP skill: finding broken combos and beating srcubs with it
PvP skill: a ladder that means nothing
PvP skill: holding the hall cause you have a drone that hits Oath Shot and Fertile

As I said, get a clue then post.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatBoo

If you want something to counter the latest trend, work for it.

Counter NR builds and don't post until you can do it easily. Yea noticed how that one spammable destroys 200 of the skills in this game.

As I said, get a clue then post.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatBoo

Whining "oh this is a grind lets start a new thread to complain about it," isn't getting you anywhere.

Making a condescending and insulting thread towards top level PvPers isn't getting you anywhere either

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 02, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

If by Bnet you mean Blizzard, no matter how disgusted I've felt leveling up characters in this game, my distaste for Blizzard can never be matched. That company is a joke.

Xellos · Aug 02, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

If by Bnet you mean Blizzard, no matter how disgusted I've felt leveling up characters in this game, my distaste for Blizzard can never be matched. That company is a joke.

But it might survive longer then Anet. What does that make Anet then? A one hit wonder?

Guild-Hall Messenger · Aug 02, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Xellos

But it might survive longer then Anet. What does that make Anet then? A one hit wonder?

hopefully

and I wouldnt call GW a hit, its a good selling game. Nothing spectacular.

Zeru · Aug 02, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

If by Bnet you mean Blizzard, no matter how disgusted I've felt leveling up characters in this game, my distaste for Blizzard can never be matched. That company is a joke.

Blizzard made Starcraft; that deserves them quite a fair bit of credit even if they did lose their reputation for making crap like wc3 and wow (while subtly trying to kill sc).

Looking through everything on this I honestly have no idea what anet is doing. Every plausible answer just seems so stupid I can't think they would be following that course of action. Kicking vocal/pvp players from the alpha? Spending 3 months on band-aid solutions? Do they want the game to fail?

KuTeBaka · Aug 02, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

do you guys know how hard it is to fix these things? You cant just open up a DEV version guild wars and type in "/Fix grind" and let the computer do its work. It takes lots of effort to figure out how to make it balanced, for example, if they took out NR people would be screaming for a enchantment-removal buff. Now how would they buff enchant removal? type "/Buff enchantment removal"?

Weezer_Blue · Aug 02, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

The people who continue to play this game actively...

-Haven't beaten it yet
-Are waiting for it to be fixed
-Are in the top successful PvP guilds
-Have low standards for games

And those guys in the top guilds are starting to quit too... LotD is gone. So are many others. And I wouldn't expect to see Fi hit the ladder any time soon.

The PvP in this game is decrepit. GW died and was reincarnated as a piece of shit that only fanboys defend, and yet give no propper defense other than "A.Net is doing a good job". What the hell have they done? They needlessly screwed the PvP community, started kicking the PvP alpha guilds, falsely advertised, and changed the very basis of their "competive" online RPG. Not only is this game not competitve in the slightest bit, it's hardly a "Role Playing" game at all. (yeah, you might find someone in ascalon internation district 1 saying 'damn... the searing sucked, huh?'... but that's about it)

If they want to fix their game, which is obviously broken, all they have to do is the following... these ideas are collected from multiple people.

-Put in UAS. Quit making us do arbitrary tasks so we can have fun. It's annoying as hell. If you don't want to put people playing on RP characters at a disadvantage, UAS for PvP characters, and unlock all RP characters skills while in a competion area.

-Start balancing things again. Why the hell did they stop on release? I haven't seen spirit spamming to the point at which people get disconnected fixed yet, nor have I seen an end to putrid, air spike, and smite spamming. If you see the same cookie cutter build on the way to the Hall of Heroes for more than a week, there's something wrong. Fix it.

-Make PvP matches actually require skill. Take NPC's out of GvG. A team should die. Not be able to make a miraculous return simply because they camped out next to their Guild Lord, 2 arcanists, and a handful of archers.
Next, make Burial Mounds like Scorched Earth. No ganking.
Then, remove all King of the Hill maps. Including the hall of heroes.

You have the damn solutions given to you. Impliment them, or lose money (since we know that's all you corporate jackasses are about... like every other game developement company... ever)

Tigris Of Gaul · Aug 02, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Zeru

Blizzard made Starcraft; that deserves them quite a fair bit of credit even if they did lose their reputation for making crap like wc3 and wow (while subtly trying to kill sc).

I really have no knock on their games, but their support is horrendous. I can understand that you need to support your cash cow to the fullest, but why should I have to pay a monthly fee to get you to notice me?

Keure · Aug 02, 2005, 02:47 AM // 02:47

I keep wondering whether or not enough content can be made to even satisfy PvErs in the first place - the only possible thing that springs to mind is the creation of new PvE scenarios that offer much more replay value than the standard explorable area.

I personally don't see the game as having longevity without working on making it a good PvP-focused competitive game.

Zeru · Aug 02, 2005, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Tigris Of Gaul

I really have no knock on their games, but their support is horrendous. I can understand that you need to support your cash cow to the fullest, but why should I have to pay a monthly fee to get you to notice me?

I don't disagree with this in the slightest. My respect for blizzard support dropped to about nil when they shut down gamei and kept making useless patches which halfway seemed to be designed to screw up replays.

Linkie · Aug 02, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by KuTeBaka

do you guys know how hard it is to fix these things? You cant just open up a DEV version guild wars and type in "/Fix grind" and let the computer do its work. It takes lots of effort to figure out how to make it balanced, for example, if they took out NR people would be screaming for a enchantment-removal buff. Now how would they buff enchant removal? type "/Buff enchantment removal"?

And obviously kicking all the PvP testers is the way to make a balanced game?